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In a recent podcast episode, Jørgen Carling talks with Indigo Trigg-Hauger of PRIO's Peace in a Pod about the role of smugglers in migration processes. For many years, researchers have questioned the dominant portrayal of migrant smugglers as cynical criminals. Jørgen extends the argument and shows how smugglers have even become a valuable asset for governments under political pressure.

The conversation is based on the chapter 'The double duality of migrant smugglers: an analytical framework' which will be published later this year. It is part of the third edition of Global Human Smuggling, an edited volume that has become a core reference point in scientific research on migrant smuggling.

Listen to the episode (26 minutes) on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or other podcast platforms.